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Thread: LCB as PCMB substitute?

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    Okay, I just about drooled over that LCB with the black dyneema/solar, but I am super confused about the strap options-- is the strap truly detachable on this bag? Like you can get the absolute, or the simple or the q-am-- can you buy the padded thingy for the LCB like the MCB to help make the simple strap more comfy?

    I feel like the absolute would be overkill with this bag and make it harder to pack, but I find even with my MCB that the strap digs once the bag is full. Sorry if this has been asked before, but I am kind of confused.

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    @atarango1, I asked this in another thread, but there are two types of Absolute Strap, one with snaphooks and one without snaphooks which can be threaded into LCB when the original strap is removed.

    @jmoz I have an MCB already and I love it. I'm primarily going to use my LCB while my roommate test drives my MCB so I can convince her to replace her beat up bag with a lovely Tom Bihn. But yeah, I'm going to love the black dyneema/solar. I've been unsure about dyneema, but after using a PCSB for a week, I've been converted.
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    @atarango1 - Just to expand on al85's comment a bit more- on the LCB, the straps are removable and interchangeable. Unlike most of the bags (Aeronauts, TS, WF, etc.), there is no snap hook on the end; instead, the strap goes to a "Tri-Glide" which is sewed onto the bag. On the "Parts" listing on the website, you can buy a pair of "Cheater 'D's". These are a few inches of strapping with the plastic piece for the snap hook, which is convenient if you'll be sharing a strap between a host bag (in my case, the TS) and the LCB.

    Also note that the Simple strap Pad on the LCB is different (and nicer) than the strap on my wife's SCB. I don't know which the MCB has. If I were using the LCB in an ordinary way, I feel like the simple strap with this enhanced pad would be pretty nice. But yes, to clarify, the strap (whichever one you choose) is removable, and you could interchange it with another bag, etc.

    I hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoz View Post
    @atarango1 - Just to expand on al85's comment a bit more- on the LCB, the straps are removable and interchangeable. Unlike most of the bags (Aeronauts, TS, WF, etc.), there is no snap hook on the end; instead, the strap goes to a "Tri-Glide" which is sewed onto the bag. On the "Parts" listing on the website, you can buy a pair of "Cheater 'D's". These are a few inches of strapping with the plastic piece for the snap hook, which is convenient if you'll be sharing a strap between a host bag (in my case, the TS) and the LCB.

    Also note that the Simple strap Pad on the LCB is different (and nicer) than the strap on my wife's SCB. I don't know which the MCB has. If I were using the LCB in an ordinary way, I feel like the simple strap with this enhanced pad would be pretty nice. But yes, to clarify, the strap (whichever one you choose) is removable, and you could interchange it with another bag, etc.

    I hope that helps!
    @atarango1 Take a look at the first of @jmoz's LCB pictures: at either side of the bag, rising higher above the sides than for your MCB, are the two triangular attachment points for his Absolute Strap. Those black triangular points with circular centers (Triglides) are the same as the ones you find sewn directly into the sides of your Pilot or Packing Cube Shoulder Bag. @jmoz the MCB strap design is the same as what's used for the SCB, and you're correct that the Simple Strap that comes as a default with the Large Cafe Bag is different from the straps used with the Small and Medium Cafe Bags. Some people simply cut the plastic pad and use a Strap Wrap on the Medium Cafe Bag. (I think this is overkill for the Small Cafe Bag because of the length of the strap wrap, but the same configuration can be used there.) I think the strap wrap is what you mean by the "padded thingy" you use with the Medium Cafe Bag.

    The Simple Strap, with a sliding pad that is longer than the plastic pads used for the small and medium cafe bags, is the default strap you get with the Pilot, if you don't upgrade the strap.

    My original answer to @jmoz with a recommendation of the MCB, was based on my reading of his outlined goals of a minimalist bag along the lines of the PCSB -- which can't carry too much more than his 11" MacBook Air. The MCB can carry that, a program guide, some papers (in both US letter and A4 size -- the latter important for international conferences), and his laptop accessories. Without the Triglides sticking up, and a bit more rigid against the side of the bag, the MCB packs more flatly. It is also sized so that it can be carried in the Tri-Star without folding. So those were the outlined reasons for my answer. However, I prefaced my post with the phrase "Other things being equal", meaning that he might have other considerations than the ones he specifically outlined, and that included an answer where his Cafe Bag offerings were not limited by what happened to be in stock or sold out at any particular time. So I tried to describe the trade-offs for a general decision.

    HTH moriond

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    One other point of clarification- I think there might be some confusion in terminology, so I thought I'd add some pictures:

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    One other discovery: if you fold it in half (I did vertically) and roll it, the LCB (at least without the strap) fits beautifully and easily into a #2 TSS. (In my case, the one that moriond was kind enough to help me out with during the February backorder.) I didn't take photos, as a picture of a moderately full (but not stuffed) TSS hardly seemed useful, but I thought someone could find that information useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoz View Post
    One other discovery: if you fold it in half (I did vertically) and roll it, the LCB (at least without the strap) fits beautifully and easily into a #2 TSS. (In my case, the one that moriond was kind enough to help me out with during the February backorder.) I didn't take photos, as a picture of a moderately full (but not stuffed) TSS hardly seemed useful, but I thought someone could find that information useful.
    @jmoz Nice touch that the folded and rolled LCB in Black/Solar Dyneema fits into a Solar #2 Travel Stuff Sack - seems a fitting reveal of inner contents. And thanks for sorting out the terminology in my last post, which I should go and correct. However, since you've now seen the size of the connector ends for attaching the Absolute Strap clips at the ends of the Cheater D rings, and know the scale from the width of the 1.5" webbing, you can see why, in my original answer suggesting a Medium Cafe Bag, I stated that switching the LCB attachment points to take different straps by their end clip attachments, instead of having the webbing of those strap selections threaded directly into connectors at the sides of the LCB would make the LCB less "minimalist" to stow inside than a Medium Cafe Bag.

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    @moriond Your comments were very helpful, and had Dyneema MCB been in stock, I definitely might have gone that route instead. At the same time, the Tri-Glide and Cheater-D fold down pretty flat, so I'm not sure I'm actually losing any space because of the connectors. I think either option would work just fine for anyone else who is in my position (but who is unconstrained by availability.) That said, I do like the idea of having the Absolute strap for potentially long days of standing/walking, so I take that as an added win. Thanks again for being incredibly helpful (both with this and with past questions.)

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    Last day of the conference, and I'm very happy with the LCB. Although the MCB would work, the LCB feels spacious in a good way, especially with my rain jacket (in my ever-useful #2 TSS (solar)) for a not-especially-nice but not awful Irish day.
    Last edited by jmoz; 07-23-2014 at 03:12 AM.
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    For the sake of posterity, I thought I'd mention that rolling it and putting it in the bottom of the middle section of the TS proved the most convenient packing method; it took up virtually no space.

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    Last night or about 10 hours ago, I am wondering the same thing @jmoz wishing 'PCMB'.
    Primarily because I am looking for the flexibility of switching Straps from Standard, Absolute or none at all, with the MCB Dimension. Or even, hooking up to Carabiner like @tpnl's TPNL

    I am actually want to transform like @tpnl did with his Brain Cell Size 1 (BCS1), but further by replacing the PCSB with a PCMB.
    Because I find the PCSB lacking in height and I couldn't slide in my A4 Folder/Papers both horizontally or vertically. Obviously, there isn't a PCMB hence, I am thinking of other bags like MCB, Ristretto 13" (Right size, but a bit out of budget for such need), LCB and even LOP.

    LCB has the Strap Flexbility that I wanted but the dimension show it is 1" Wider than the BCS1. Would anyone mind to share a few photos whether LCB hooking up to BCS1 with double Carabiner may look awkward? Awkward in a sense that it could be too wide than the BCS1. Also, any difficulty hooking up?

    LOP, I find LOP works great but it only have hook on 1 side. So, no no.

    Thanks you,
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    @weirdguy, I don't want to take the words out of @jmoz's mouth, but I thought he was pretty happy with the later option of the Daylight Briefcase:
    Quote Originally Posted by jmoz View Post
    It's the bag I've been looking for! For anyone else who was wondering, here's a comparison to a Pilot, along with a navy color comparison amongst ballistic (Pilot), parapack (SE) and Cordura (PCBC). It's just a quick photo with my phone (in less than excellent light), but they all coordinate well.

    Edit- I seem to be having trouble getting the picture to post right now, so feel free to take my word and I'll try later not from Tapatalk.
    (with the exception of the fact that his navy Cordura and all Cordura fabrics are made by a company owned by the Koch brothers, but they bought into that from DuPont some years ago, and @jmoz could have gotten his Daylight Briefcase in Black 400D Dyneema if he wanted to be politically more correct.)

    HTH (although the DLBC will not fit really large laptops beyond some 14" sizes).

    moriond

    ETA: The DLBC works fine to hold A4 sized paper, BTW.
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    @moriond: Thanks for saving me the trouble by saying exactly what I was thinking! You're completely correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoz View Post
    @moriond: Thanks for saving me the trouble by saying exactly what I was thinking! You're completely correct.
    @jmoz, I was trying to find a link to the image of the DLBC with the PCSB in front. I think they have been tinkering with the iOS web interface, so I can't simply tap through arrow keys or page numbers to move quickly through long threads right now -- I'm on my iPhone and the slowdown is driving me crazy!

    Basically, I think the DLBCase is a good horizontal alternative to the Large Cafe Bag, with better design for carrying laptops: LCB volume is 11 liters and the DLBC volume is 12 liters. You can switch straps as you like, and both the main compartment and back zippered pocket will hold either US Letter or A4 sized papers.

    Dimensions are:

    Large Cafe Bag (11 liters) 13.3" x 12.9" x 3.3" / 340 x 330 x 85 mm

    Daylight Briefcase (12 liters) 13.4" x 9.8" x 6.5" / 340 x 250 x 165 mm

    The main problem for @weirdguy may be that his size 1 Brain Cell with laptop might be too large to match.

    Pricing of LCB and DLBC is also pretty close (I think $70 vs $80, but there's more stitching/pockets with the DLBC).

    I realize that Cafe Bag aficionados prefer the one large space approach, vs. the various sewn pockets/compartments of the DLBC, and perhaps the flap vs zipper access.

    HTH

    moriond

    ETA: Here are @bb93fo57's pictures of DLBC vs. PCSB from a post on the next to last page of the DLBC thread: The Little Briefcase that Can Fit Almost Anywhere: early Daylight Briefcase review

    You can see that the Daylight Briefcase is a minimalist messenger bag style briefcase that is only slightly larger than the Packing Cube Backpack, but which will hold a laptop, papers, and a few accessories as @oz originally wanted and described earlier in this thread. This is what the 400d Black Dyneema version of the DLBC looks like compared to the limited production run 400d Black Dyneema PCSB



    Last edited by moriond; Yesterday at 05:34 AM. Reason: Added pictures of DLBC compared with PCSB

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    @jmoz, @moriond
    Thanks for reminding me. I did actually consider the DLBC last night but forgot to list it in my earlier discussion post.
    DLBC has a good width (or length. I started to get confuse with the name) of 9.8" while CP (10"), MCB (10.6"), BCS1 (11.2") and LCB (12.9").

    Still, giving MCB has the Strap Flexibility, I may go for MCB because its width is just on the right spot.
    But. But you guys convinced me to get DLBC. After reading your replies, I go back to my Excel Spreadsheet of all Tom Bihn's Dimension. Then I tell myself, eventhough DLBC is only nearly 1 inch less wider but it has awesome depth or breath. DLBC 6.5" versus MCB 2.9", LCB 3.3". Double! Price wise, only additional $10-$15.

    Edit: I got the whole dimension wrong about DLBC. DLBC got a length of 13.4", rather than 9.8" which supposed be the Height.
    Hence, Base Length: CP (10"), MCB (10.6"), Vertical BCS1 (11.2"), LCB (13.3"), DLBC (13.4").
    Last edited by weirdguy; 01-29-2015 at 09:36 PM. Reason: Posted, before @moriond added new reply.
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