Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 22
Like Tree20Likes

Thread: WF color and size questions

  1. #1
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Ottawa, Ontario
    Posts
    74

    WF color and size questions

    Hi,
    I am considering buying a western flyer to attach to the top of a wheelie I just bought. I intend to use the western flyer for my kids' clothes (they are 4 and 6). Each child will get a packing cube.

    My questions are:
    1. Will my kids' clothes fit? My kids' clothes seem to fit the 'Large' 15 x something eagle creek packing cubes nicely. The western flyer's large cubes are bigger, so I'm thinking everything should fit, but I just wanted to confirm with the experts here :-)

    2. The western flyer is available in crimson. This looks to be a dark red in the picture - darker than the bright red I've seen on the tristar and older versions of the WF. Is 'crimson' actually darker?


    thanks!

  2. #2
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    425
    Quote Originally Posted by thisisme View Post
    The western flyer is available in crimson. This looks to be a dark red in the picture - darker than the bright red I've seen on the tristar and older versions of the WF. Is 'crimson' actually darker?
    I just got pouches in the new ballistic colors and am planning to post on them. Meanwhile, I would say, it depends on the light. In subdued light, the new red is darker. In sunlight, the new and old reds are virtually indistinguishable.

  3. #3
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Ottawa, Ontario
    Posts
    74
    ok. i guess the first question was kind of silly.
    OK. so it IS a different colour, but only slightly different. Good to know. :-)
    moriond likes this.

  4. #4
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    425
    No, not silly. I don't own a Western Flyer, so I can't comment on it.

  5. #5
    Volunteer Moderator
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    2,240

    Currently Available Western Flyer Colors

    @thisisme, when I check the currently available colors at the Western Flyer page, the version of the WF with the Rolling Luggage Handle Pocket is only available in Steel/Solar, Steel/Ultraviolet, Black/Steel, and Black/Iberian. There is a version of the WF in Crimson/Steel with backpack straps that is available, but you stated that you want to attach the WF on the top of a wheelie. How soon do you need your bag?

    There may be new versions of the WF with the Rolling Luggage Handle Pocket made in the new colors of Dyneema in a few weeks, but that won't help you if you plan to travel in the near future. Also, for people who are thinking about the backpack version in Crimson, I suspect you might want to check on the available stock, since Crimson has been discontinued, and the bags that are in stock will just be the ones made in their last production run.

    moriond

  6. #6
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Ottawa, Ontario
    Posts
    74
    I'm flying at the end of August.
    Yes, I've sort of decided that I'd prefer the wheelie pocket over the backpack straps
    When you say that there will be new colours of Dynema, will there also be new exterior colours?

    Of topic a bit: I don't understand why certain colours become discontinued. There was a beautiful indigo blue/solar version - I would have loved those colours! I guess it's that they don't sell well enough?

  7. #7
    Registered User dorayme's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Piedmont of the Carolinas
    Posts
    1,224
    I use smaller packing cubes for my kids and they would easily fit into the WF.
    As for the colors, TB has certain colors that run for a long time and others that have a limited run time. Why, I do not know, but if you see a color you like, snag it, or at minimum call customer service to determine if it is going away any time soon. I have seen some ones I wanted go away, it's not fun!
    Si non aptus in Peram, ego opus ad buy magis quisque.
    my bags: S, LS, KP, mg'11, S, LS, COW, MCB, LS, COW, LSB, SE, LSB, TT, SB, SE, TSS4, PCSB, PCBP-A, SC, BB, SCB, FJN, BB, FoJ, RS, F.O.T., LSB, S25, PCSB K, LS, I w/AS, A, PP FJN, SE, 3-DC, MCB, PCBP-T/WF, PCSB, CQPC, S19, LSB, SB, TT, SE, S, C-P, P, WF, UT, LSB, CQPC, PCBP-T/WF, SE2, MCB, RiPad, SB, LSB

  8. #8
    Registered User Lani's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    743
    Quote Originally Posted by thisisme View Post
    Of topic a bit: I don't understand why certain colours become discontinued. There was a beautiful indigo blue/solar version - I would have loved those colours! I guess it's that they don't sell well enough?
    I don't work for TB so I can't speak for them, but I do have a little experience with retail stuff so maybe I will offer my personal suspicion.

    As wonderful as Tom Bihn bags are, in the grand scheme of travel bags, his company is very small. If we were to compare the volume he sells against companies like Jansport, Travelpro, Samsonite, or Eagle Creek, TB is just a little drop in the bucket (of course for most of us I think this is one of the reasons we love TB so much).

    So when he makes a decision to offer something in a new color, it probably has to be done after a lot of thought, keeping in mind the need to balance inventory. Don't forget, TB makes all their bags right in their factory in Seattle. It's not like he says, "Hmm... I need to order more red bags. Let's call our manufacturer in China and they can make some more." So I have a feeling when they make their decision on colors, he orders a huge roll of that cloth, made to his specifications... and once he's done with that roll, he has to decide if he's going to order it again, or try a different color. I don't think he can afford to (money or space-wise) to keep BOTH. See where I'm getting at?

    Some colors he will always have on hand, like black and steel. As much as we love the unusual colors, I'm sure he still moves mostly the standard fall-back colors of black and grey.

    So... here's incentive for you to buy an item when they make it in a color you like, because it might not be offered in that color once it's gone. After that, it's called eBay. lol

    Something to keep in mind: Those big companies? They rotate through colors, too. Most of them decide on the colors for their next season's collection based on what's officially announced by the Color Association (at least in the U.S.). And companies like Jansport, when they come up with new prints for their Superbreak line, will only use those prints for a season, then they'll move on and not make them after they're done with them for the season.
    Janine likes this.
    Lani Teshima: A Dyneema diva with a closetful of Tom Bihn products!
    Publisher, The Travelite FAQ: Don't get saddled with baggage—free yourself & your mind by packing lightly!
    Editor, MousePlanet: Detailed park guides, daily news & stories from all over the Disney kingdom | Technical writer | Marathoner

  9. #9
    Volunteer Moderator
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    2,240

    Factors Behind the Color Options for Bags

    Quote Originally Posted by moriond View Post
    There may be new versions of the WF with the Rolling Luggage Handle Pocket made in the new colors of Ballistic Nylon in a few weeks, but that won't help you if you plan to travel in the near future.
    Quote Originally Posted by thisisme View Post
    I'm flying at the end of August.
    Yes, I've sort of decided that I'd prefer the wheelie pocket over the backpack straps
    When you say that there will be new colours of Dynema, will there also be new exterior colours?
    See correction: I meant to say "Ballistic Nylon", so yes, there will be/are new exterior colors.

    Quote Originally Posted by thisisme View Post
    Of topic a bit: I don't understand why certain colours become discontinued. There was a beautiful indigo blue/solar version - I would have loved those colours! I guess it's that they don't sell well enough?
    Lani's post does a good job of addressing this -- it's not that colors like Indigo don't sell well, but that the economic realities don't allow them to always keep all colors in stock at the same time. And, on top of that, they usually tool up production batches for the Western Flyer, Tri-Star, Aeronaut, and other bags in groups. When one of the popular colors sells out, it does get replenished -- but when they do the next production batch. For example, when the first clear organizer wallets started shipping as a new product, plum sold out within 6 days of Darcy's post. (I know dorayme will get a kick out of reading about how quickly plum disappeared in the Clear Organizer Wallet Now Shipping! thread)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lani View Post
    I don't work for TB so I can't speak for them, but I do have a little experience with retail stuff so maybe I will offer my personal suspicion.

    <snip>

    So when he makes a decision to offer something in a new color, it probably has to be done after a lot of thought, keeping in mind the need to balance inventory.

    <snip>

    Some colors he will always have on hand, like black and steel. As much as we love the unusual colors, I'm sure he still moves mostly the standard fall-back colors of black and grey.

    So... here's incentive for you to buy an item when they make it in a color you like, because it might not be offered in that color once it's gone. After that, it's called eBay. lol
    If you read back in the forums, there's a long thread on If the Brain Cell came in only two colors… that basically heralded the move to more restrictive color selections in late 2007. Up till then, the 500d cordura options spanned the range shown in this blog post picture of Brain Cells (dated lated September 2007): steel, crimson, olive, wasabi, black, and deep blue. Cayenne replaced crimson in 2008. You'll recognize these as the lining color options for your Imagos, Cafe Bags, and Ristrettos. Basically, now we have steel, wasabi, and cayenne. The last of the 500d olive has been used up.

    The situation with Ballistic Nylon is interesting, because we suddenly have three new, great colors in 1050d for bag exteriors: Navy, Cardinal Red, and Forest Green. Incidentally, that first blog post link for navy describes some of the factors that Lani was writing about: minimum dye lot quantities and their implications for product offerings. And in the past, it was just not possible to get these colors produced to the exacting standards of Tom Bihn craftmanship.

    The tricky thing will be to balance all the offerings to work well together: the 500d Cordura lining colors, the Dyneema colors (now Solar, Iberian, and Ultraviolet; the extended range of fabric options that are being used with the Little Swift and other bags, that includes Cork and Vulcana Hemp as in the new Cardinal/Hemp Imago, not to mention more ultrasuede combinations. This is all going to make for interesting new bag combinations!

    moriond

  10. #10
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Ottawa, Ontario
    Posts
    74
    Wow! Ok. I totally understand where Tom Bihn is coming from now, colour-wise. I'm also looking at the current colours vs. older colours and noticing that the new colours are more subdued, which I like better, now that I think about it.

  11. #11
    Registered User Lani's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    743
    Wow Moriond, I bow to your great wisdom!

    Quote Originally Posted by moriond View Post
    <lots of great info snipped for brevity>

    ...the Dyneema colors (now Solar, Iberian, and Ultraviolet
    I for one am a huge Dyneema fan. I wrote in a post elsewhere here where I am now even more impressed with the sturdiness of the fabric when I tried an experiment to scissor up a swatch from a Dyneema knit bag. Whatever Dyneema colors they introduce for the Packing Cube Shoulder Bag, I will buy one!! [I still wish they made the 3D organizer and even the Side Effect in Dyneema--I would buy those, too!]
    Janine likes this.
    Lani Teshima: A Dyneema diva with a closetful of Tom Bihn products!
    Publisher, The Travelite FAQ: Don't get saddled with baggage—free yourself & your mind by packing lightly!
    Editor, MousePlanet: Detailed park guides, daily news & stories from all over the Disney kingdom | Technical writer | Marathoner

  12. #12
    Volunteer Moderator
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Honolulu, HI
    Posts
    2,240
    Quote Originally Posted by Lani View Post
    I for one am a huge Dyneema fan. I wrote in a post elsewhere here where I am now even more impressed with the sturdiness of the fabric when I tried an experiment to scissor up a swatch from a Dyneema knit bag. Whatever Dyneema colors they introduce for the Packing Cube Shoulder Bag, I will buy one!! [I still wish they made the 3D organizer and even the Side Effect in Dyneema--I would buy those, too!]
    Lani and others, if you want to read more about Dyneema and the start of the Packing Cube Shoulder Bag, I'll point you to this forum post from a thread on Aeronaut packing cubes in which Tom announced (two posts up) their intention to introduce what became the Packing Cube Shoulder Bag. As for the sturdiness of Dyneema, and its nearly slash-proof nature (alluded to in the linked post), this derives to the fact that the Dyneema (white fibers) are used in bullet-proof vests, as pointed out in the excerpted sections of the Wikipedia description given in this later post on Dyneema.

    Tom originally wrote a short blog post on Dyneema that pointed to the Wikipedia definition. The definition that was current at the time of his blog post is linked in both the above two linked posts. The second post also gives links to the updated definition that replaced it within a few weeks, which I personally found less clear.

    Incidentally, I do enjoy reading the small commentaries about design and materials that Tom occasionally introduces in the forums. They provide a lot of insight into the process of what goes into making the bags we all love. There are some nice comments in a very old Bleeding Edge Video interview with Tom that includes how he designs his bags. (Note that the only link I could easily play was the iTunes/iPod/H.264 format in the "Friday, August 4, 2006 The Bleeding Edge 019: A Visit to Tom Bihn" box). YMMV.

    moriond
    Last edited by moriond; 07-28-2011 at 07:11 PM. Reason: fixed product link to Packing Cube Shoulder Bag
    backpack and Lani like this.

  13. #13
    TOM BIHN Crew (we work here) Darcy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    The far west
    Posts
    4,416
    We're a little company, though with a few exceptions, we offer more colors and color combinations than many of the larger companies. We love color and trying new colors and color combinations, and that's why we have and offer such a wide variety of colors. Few of the fabrics we use are off the shelf; most are made or at least dyed to our specifications. When introducing a new color, we sometimes need to retire a color that's been around for a while. That's mostly a matter of space in the factory but also an attempt to reduce the complexity of our offering -- at some point we have to say enough is enough! For example: the Aeronaut is now available in 10 color combinations. Any new color combinations of Aeronaut that we offer in the future will likely replace current color combinations.
    Current Carry: Skookum Dog Citizen Canine prototype, Founder's Briefcase (every day carry), Small Cafe Bag (every day carry), Shop Bags (groceries, extra random stuff), Aeronaut 45 (travel), Synapse 19 (day hikes), Smart Alec (longer day hikes), Skookum Dog Road Duffel (Medium) (travel), Clear Organizer Wallet, Travel Stuff Sacks, Organizer Cubes

  14. #14
    Registered User Janine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Lexington KY USA
    Posts
    903
    Aside: Is there a way to automatically like anything that @lani or @moriond post? Clicking the like buttons individually is starting to be a real chore.
    Just and Lani like this.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

  15. #15
    Registered User Lani's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    743
    Quote Originally Posted by Janine View Post
    Aside: Is there a way to automatically like anything that @lani or @moriond post? Clicking the like buttons individually is starting to be a real chore.
    I clicked "Like" on this post. Teehee!
    Janine likes this.
    Lani Teshima: A Dyneema diva with a closetful of Tom Bihn products!
    Publisher, The Travelite FAQ: Don't get saddled with baggage—free yourself & your mind by packing lightly!
    Editor, MousePlanet: Detailed park guides, daily news & stories from all over the Disney kingdom | Technical writer | Marathoner

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0